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Proving that Jesus is God from Old Testament Scripture

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When reading the New Testament it seems so obvious at times that Jesus is God and equal with the Father.[1]  But in other passages Jesus’ full divinity is more ambiguous.  I believe that conclusive proof of Jesus’ full divinity can be seen when we compare certain Old Testament verses with corresponding New Testament verses.  The key to this is recognising God’s Name in Scripture.

There is only one true, supreme God – the  God of the Bible – and his Name is YHWH.  YHWH is usually translated as LORD (all capital letters) in English translations of the Old Testament.  Most good Bible versions explain this translation in their preface. Check it out.

Out of reverence for the holiness of God, the Jews stopped saying God’s Name a couple of hundred years BC, so the correct pronunciation of YHWH is uncertain.[2]  The Hebrew language does not contain vowels, but we can ascertain that the first syllable of God’s Name is probably pronounced “Yah” because it is found in the word Hallelujah (or Halleluyah).  Hallelujah means “Praise the LORD” or, more correctly, “Praise YHWH”.  Some Christians pronounce YHWH as “Yahweh”.[3]

Yahweh means: “I Am who I Am.”  God explained his Name to Moses during the burning bush encounter when God commissioned Moses to free Israel from Egyptian bondage (Exodus 3:13-15).  God’s Name, the “I Am”, gives a sense of the enigmatic, transcendent and eternal nature of God (Cf Revelation 1:8).

Three infinite and eternal persons belong to this Godhead called Yahweh: (1) the Father, (2) the Son, Jesus Christ, and (3) the Holy Spirit. These three persons are bound closely together in unity of power and purpose and are often referred to as the Trinity.  Yahweh is one God made up of three persons.

The fact that Jesus Christ is Yahweh can be determined by comparing the following Old Testament verses with the corresponding New Testament verses.

Isaiah 40:3 speaks about preparing the way for the LORD (Yahweh).  When we compare this verse with Mark 1:3 we see that Jesus is the LORD who had the way prepared for him by John the Baptist.

In Joel 2:32a it says that whoever calls upon the Name of the LORD (Yahweh) will be saved.  This verse is quoted by Peter in Acts 2:21, and by Paul in Romans 10:13.  Both apostles are clearly referring to Jesus as the LORD.

In Isaiah 6:1-10 we read about the marvelous vision that Isaiah had revealing the glory of the LORD (Yahweh).  John tells us in John 12:40-41 that this vision revealed the glory of Jesus.

In Isaiah 44:6, the LORD (Yahweh) refers to himself as “the First and the Last”.  In Revelation 1:8 and 17, Jesus similarly refers to himself as “the Alpha and the Omega” and “the First and the Last”.

In Zechariah 12:10 the LORD (Yahweh) is speaking and says that, “they will look on Me whom they have pierced.”[4] This is obviously Jesus speaking (Psalm 22:16; John 19:34).  This passage from Zechariah appears again in Revelation 1:7b and is clearly about Jesus Christ.

As Yahweh (along with the Father and the Holy Spirit) Jesus is eternal, having all the qualities and attributes of God.  Even on earth, in human form, Jesus was the image of the invisible God, and the exact representation of God’s nature (Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:3).  Jesus is not some sort of demigod; rather, the fullness of deity (“God-ness”) dwells in him  in bodily form (Colossians 2:9).  Jesus Christ, born of the virgin Mary, was fully man and fully God, having both a human and divine nature at the same time.

As eternal God, Jesus Christ existed before he came to earth as a human baby.  He existed before the creation of the earth.  In fact, Jesus was instrumental in its creation.  The Bible says that all things were created by Him, and that nothing was made without Him (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:2).   Jesus is not a created being himself.

The Scriptures teach us that there is only one God and we are commanded that we should worship no other gods (Exodus 20:3).  From Scripture we can see that Jesus Christ is worshipped eternally, further proving his deity and place in the Godhead (Philippians 2:10-11; Revelation 5:9-14).

As wonderful as Yahweh’s Name is,[5] there is a name which has even greater significance and importance:

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus  every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.  Philippians 2:9-11.

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Endnotes

[1] Jesus’ disciples, those closest to him, testified that Jesus is God. Peter writes “our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ” in 2 Peter 1:1; Thomas addresses Jesus as “My Lord and my God!” in John 20:28; and  John called the Word/Jesus, “God” in John 1:1.  Also, the apostle Paul calls Jesus “the great God and Saviour” in Titus 2:13

[2] King David had no problem with declaring the Name of God.  He uses it frequently in his Psalms.  In Psalm 8:1 & 9 he says (sings), “O Yahweh, our Lord, how majestic is your Name in all the earth!”
Instead of saying God’s Name, many Jews replace YHWH with “Ha’Shem” when reading from Hebrew scripture aloud.  Ha’Shem means “the Name” in Hebrew.

[3] “Jehovah” is another way of saying God’s Name and appeared in old English translations of the Old Testament; but this pronunciation has fallen out of favour because it is considered inaccurate by some.

[4] Some paraphrases, such as the Good News Bible and the Living Bible, do not translate this verse accurately.

[5] “O LORD (Yahweh), our Lord (Adonai), how majestic is your Name in all the earth!”  Psalm 8:1 & 9.

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82 comments on “Proving that Jesus is God from Old Testament Scripture

  1. Emma McCaig says:

    This is so good Margaret, I have made so many notes in my bible! Thank you for all your hard work, it is so very appreciated!

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  4. Emma says:

    I totally forgot about this article, once again it has impacted my understanding of God. This is the kind of teaching that all christians should hear.

  5. Lisa says:

    LOVE this!! thank you so much for taking the time to study and share this in such a way that is easily understood & retained. Can’t wait to share with my friends!

  6. Marg says:

    Thank you Lisa. :)

  7. Linda H says:

    Thank you Marg. I don’t know if you saw my comment on Rachel Held Evans’ blog yesterday but the whole subordination of the son heresy has really been bothering me. This helps a lot.

  8. Marg says:

    Hi Linda, I actually responded to your comment on RHE’s blog because I have a major problem with the concept of “eternal subordination of the Son” too. I also have a major problem with using the Trinity as a model for marriage. I’ve written about this here.

  9. Philip says:

    I think you are incorrect about the Seventh Day Adventist believe that only God the Father is Yahweh. I’ve been to many SDA seminars in an effort to learn scripture even though I disagree with the SDA on a few points. However, I’ve never heard them teach ever that Jesus is anything other than God.

  10. Marg says:

    Thanks for this Philip. I’ve double checked this. My understanding has been that the SDAs believe Jesus is the archangel Michael, the Prince of Israel, mentioned in Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1 and Jude 1:9, and not God.

    However the SDA’s state: “We believe that the term ‘Michael’ is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead. But such a view does not in any way conflict with our belief in His full deity and eternal pre-existence, nor does it in the least disparage His person and work.” From here (chapter 8.)

    Thank you again for pointing out my error. I’ve removed the wrong information.

  11. Marg says:

    Hi Rizki,

    I don’t think there’s any point in supposing that the New Testament hadn’t existed yet; it does exist. If we didn’t have the New Testament, and the Gospels in particular, we would not have an authentic written record of Jesus’ ministry, and we might not know as much about him as we do.

    I don’t say whether Jesus claimed to be God or the Son of God. That is not the point of my article. (I may write about it one day.)

    What I’ve done in this article is compare a few Old Testament verses about YHWH with a few New Testament verses about Jesus. It’s when we compare these verses that we see that Jesus is YHWH, along with the Father and Holy Spirit; Jesus is God.

    Moses and Abraham are never referred to as YHWH. I can’t comment on Muhammad, because I don’t know anything about him.

    Perhaps you should have another, slower, look at the article, and look at the highlighted verses.

    As I said, my article is not about whether Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. You don’t have to claim to be something to be something. And some people who do claim to be something are wrong. I could go around claiming to be an athlete, but I would be wrong. The best testimony can come from observers, or witnesses. Several people who saw Jesus and observed his ministry gave the testimony that Jesus is the Son of God, and some recorded that testimony in the New Testament.

    I guess it comes down to faith too. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I believe that he is my Lord and Saviour. I believe that he died for my sins, but that he became alive again and lives forever. I believe his Spirit lives in me and that I have eternal life and a glorious future. I believe this with every fibre of my being.

    I also believe that the Old and New Testaments are uniquely inspired by God.

  12. Rizki says:

    Unless I’m missing something here, but suppose the new testament haven’t existed yet, how did you know that Jesus is son of God instead of LORD’s prophet, just like Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, etc? Because the new testament is written after the old one, and in the explanation above, it’s not stated explicitly in the old testament whether Jesus call himself God or son of God.
    In short, the question is, how did you know that Jesus claimed to be God or son of God from the old testament? I don’t see anything about it there.

  13. Dale says:

    I have been a Christian for 54 years. I am now 60. I have been searching the Old Testament to find proof that Jesus and God are one. God has said He is one and there is no one beside him, which is what Jesus said he would be. (At the right hand of God) I AM ONE ! Is that plain enough or do all the verses in the Old Testament just sound confusing ? Tough to change my beliefs now, but I will keep searching for Gods truth.

  14. Marg says:

    Hi Dale,
    The word “one” in Hebrew (echad) doesn’t just mean one in number, it also can mean a unity. For instance when it says that a husband and wife are one (echad) flesh, it doesn’t literally mean that their flesh is one in number, but that husband and wife are united as a couple.

    I believe that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are united with a profound unity: Three persons but one God.

    One way I explain this concept of “three persons: one God” is by pointing out that in my family we have several family members but we are united as one family.

    “Hear, O Israel, Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one (echad).” Deuteronomy 6:4

    I wish you well in your searching, and pray that the Holy Spirit lights your way.

  15. Chase Howell says:

    This is a great post. I’m LDS (Mormon) and we, too, believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are all 3 separate beings, but united as “one” in purpose. And we also believe that when God is spoken of, in the Old Testament, that it is referring to Jesus Christ and not Actually God the Father. This article was very helpful in furthering my understanding and also very easy to read and to understand.

  16. Marg says:

    Hi Chase, Thanks for your comment.

    My understanding – which could be wrong – is that LDS people believe that Elohim is God the Father and that YHWH is Jesus. I don’t share that belief.

    My observation is that God is typically referred to as Elohim, Adonai and YHWH in the Old Testament. In fact, God is frequently referred to by using a combination of these words in the OT Scriptures.

    Elohim is just a generic word that is usually used in reference to God in the OT, and not just God the Father. (Because elohim is a generic word, and not a name, it is also used in some other OT contexts for divine or powerful beings.)

    Most English Bible translations translate the generic word Elohim simply as “God”, Adonai as “Lord” and YHWH (God’s unique name) as “LORD”. I believe these three words all refer to the one and the same God. This one God is Triune and includes the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

    In my article I am not saying that YHWH is Jesus. I’m saying that YHWH is the Triune God which includes Jesus.

    I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.
    (I deleted the link you included in your comment – sorry.)

  17. Chase Howell says:

    Sort of. Elohim, in Hebrew, is a plural meaning of God. Gods. But because Jews thought it was to sacred to speak of so plainly, they replaced the word with Adonai. We believe in the King James version of the bible. The translators for this version wished to uphold the Jewish custom and replaced Adonai with LORD (all capitals). In more modern translated scriptures, though, such as the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, Elohim is used for God the Father and Jehovah is used for Jesus Christ, to help avoid confusion. We believe that Jesus is the God of the old testament acting in the name of God the Father.

  18. Marg says:

    Hi Chase,

    I just double-checked to make sure, but I think you are mistaken.

    The King James Version does not translate Adonai as “LORD” (all capitals). Or do you have a special LDS edition?

    The KJV usually translates Adonai as “Lord” and YHWH as “LORD” or “Jehovah” depending on the edition. (In a few instances where Adonai and YHWH are used together the typical translation is “Lord GOD”.

    Elohim is a plural noun, but there are several plural nouns in Hebrew with singular meaning.

    The Jews do not change or edit their Hebrew manuscripts – this is unthinkable – so Elohim, Adonai and YHWH are still there in the Hebrew Bible. Many Jews have no problem with saying Adonai. In fact, when Jewish people see and read the word YHWH in the biblical text they typically say “Adonai” or “Hashem” (the Name) instead, so that they do not pronounce the unique name of God.

    As you stated some Jews do not like saying Elohim. I even know some Jews who do not like saying “God” in English, and spell it as G-d. Because of this reticence to speak about God in a direct or personal way, some Jewish writings, such as the Targumim, use words like “heaven” when referring to God. Even Matthew spoke about the Kingdom of Heaven rather than the Kingdom of God in his gospel. I think all this is rather unfortunate and unnecessarily scrupulous.

    The Jewish custom of not pronouncing God’s name did not occur before the Babylonian exile. Previous to this, Jewish people, including the Bible writers, had no problem with using God’s unique name. I think it is a shame that most people do not know God’s name – YHWH.

    I’ve used Psalm 8:1 as an example where YHWH and Adonai are used of the one “person”. See the endnote 5.

    Psalm 50:1 uses El, Elohim and YHWH in the opening phrase:
    “The Mighty One (El), God (Elohim), the LORD (YHWH) speaks …” (Psalm 50:1 NIV)
    The King James translates this verse as “The mighty (El) God (Elohim), even the LORD (YHWH), hath spoken …” (Psalm 50:1 KJV)

    I believe that Adonai, Elohim and YHWH all refer to the one, Triune God.

  19. James says:

    thanks for the info.

  20. Josh says:

    Great article! To clarify about the SDA comments… I am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. I don’t see anything in your article that conflicts with our doctrines. There is a wealth of information that can be written in support of this subject. The one I love perhaps the most, however, is “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.” John 5:39. Jesus was referring to more than just the Messianic Prophesies! He was saying, before there was Abraham… I AM. Looking at scripture in the light of God the Son throughout the OT is a paradigm shift for many and reaffirms my commitment to keeping God’s commandments “because” He saved me, including the seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath as written by the very finger of Christ our God.

  21. Marg says:

    Hi Josh,

    Thanks so much for reminding me of John 5:39. It’s very apt for this subject!

    I did have a wrong statement about SDA beliefs in my original article but someone pointed out my error, so I edited out the mistake.

  22. Mark says:

    Hi, I like this post. Another great reference to Jesus being God in the old testament is Isaiah 9:6 because it references the child being born to everlasting father and mighty God. I only wish my brother could grasp this concept. If you could pray for him, his name is Daniel. Grace and peace, and may God bless you and your family

  23. Marg says:

    Thanks for sharing the verse, Mark; it is a great one.
    I’ve said a prayer for Daniel.

    And thanks for the blessing. :)
    Blessings to you and your’s too, in Jesus’ Name.

  24. karen says:

    Thank you very much. This has helped me with an assignment I had to do! Blessings……

  25. LiLi of God says:

    THINK OF IT THIS WAY
    YOU ARE JOHN OR KAREN etc

    John has a body, a spirit and a soul

    John is one

    God is the same, He is One
    The word, The Holy Spirit and The Father,

    Jesus is God who became man to deliver us from the power of darkness and when
    He died the curtain in the Temple tore and NOW WE HAVE FULL DIRECT ACCESS
    TO OUR AMAZING WONDERFUL GRAND GOD, THE KING OF ALL.

  26. george says:

    Matt 28:19
    Acts 2:38
    I don’t know the bible but the Holy spirit taught me that these two verses reveal that Jesus is GOD because Jesus said keep my commandment et baptised in the name of the Father,son and Holy spirit.if u check closely it’s one name not the names but peter revealed that name in Acts 2:38 koz he kept the commandment of Jesus and baptised in the name of the Father,son and holy Spirit which is the name of Jesus Christ and that same verse reveal that the name of the Holy spirit is Jesus Christ as well,and it confirms John 14:8-9 where Phillip asks to see the Father and Christ replied that he has been with him so long still didn’t know him that confirms again Isaiah 9:6 which says that they shall call the son the everlasting Father since we only have one God which we know that he’s the Everlasting Father according to Ephesians 4:5 therefore we understand why Jesus affirmed that if u have seem him you have seen the Father koz if the Father and the son are 1 therefore they got 1 body, 1 spirit and 1 name. some say it bekoz of the work, Jesus went further to show that he meant more than that by saying he’s in the Father and the Father is in him that’s because they Got 1 body, GOD bless u all.

  27. Marg says:

    Hi George,

    Yes, these scriptures and others show that our one God YHWH is made of three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. John 14:8-9 is wonderfully clear.

    Thanks for sharing.

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  29. Anthony says:

    Nice article, I too believe Jesus is God and be wise he accepted worship makes him so. Notice when the 24 elders in heaven laid their crowns down to worship the Lamb(Jesus), this is a clear indication that even those who are in the presence of God gave worship to Jesus because they know he is equal to the Father(Phil 2:6).

  30. Anthony says:

    Jesus raised himself from the dead, Jesus knew the hearts of men, Jesus saw Nathaniel under the fig tree when he wasn’t even with Nathaniel. If one denies the divine nature of Jesus then how can one claim to know God himself. If I remember for my studying of the O.T. Jesus seems to be referred to as “The Angel of the LORD” in which Samson parents saw and spoke with. They claimed they would die because they have seen GOD. They understood that know one can look upon GOD and live, yet they did how? because it was Jesus.

  31. Marg says:

    Hi Anthony, many Christians believe that the second person of the Trinity, who we now know as Jesus Christ, also made appearances in Old Testament times where he was known as The Angel of the LORD (Yahweh). These appearances are called Theophanies or Christophanies.

    The Angel of the Lord visited other people other than Samson’s parents. The Angel of the LORD visited Hagar in Genesis chapter 16 (and she gives him a name meaning “You are the God who sees me”. The Angel of the LORD visited Abraham in Genesis chapter 22. He appeared to Moses in Exodus chapter 3, and Balaam and his donkey in Numbers chapter 22. The Angel of the LORD is mentioned in Judges chapters 2 (speaking to all Israel), 5 (in Deborah and Barak’s song), 6 (speaking to Gideon) and 13 (speaking to Samson’s parents). The Angel of the LORD led the Israelites out of Egypt (Judges 2:1 cf Numbers 20:16). The Angel of the LORD spoke to Elijah in 1 Kings 19 and 2 Kings 1.

    In 2 Kings 19 the Angel of the LORD kills 185,000 Assyrians (cf Isaiah 37:36), and tens of thousands of Israelites in 2 Samuel chapter 24 and in 1 Chronicles chapter 21.

    The Angel of the LORD is mentioned in Psalm 34:7 and Psalm 35:5-6, and several times in Zechariah: in chapters 1, 3, and 12.

  32. heath says:

    If you study the old testaments you will see that the father and the son are one, both called YAHWAH. not yahweh, the name JESUS is less than 400 years old you can check this out in the 1611 king james bible.
    the old testament was translated from hebrew into english and for some reason the new testament was translated from the original hebrew into greek then into english.

    If you do your studying you will find that general constantine made it illegal to use the name YAHWAH (YHWH) in 325AD at the first council of nicea.

    Abraham Isaac and Jacob never new a god by the name of JESUS, IESUS, IESOUS, or yeshua , yeoshua.
    If you check out the name jesus it goes back to tammuz,bacchus,semiramis nimrod and all those other greek gods.

    ACTS 4:12

    Regards
    Heath

  33. Marg says:

    Hi Heath,

    Thanks for your comment. YHWH could well be pronounced “Yahwah” with a feminine ending, although I am leaning more towards “Yahuweh”, as I see several names of Old Testament people, which include an element of God’s name, pointed as being pronounced “Yahu” in the Masoretic Text. I prefer to look at the Hebrew, rather than English translations, for information on authentic Hebrew pronunciations.

    I completely agree that the people of the Old Testament never knew a God (or a person) named Jesus. “Jesus” is a transliteration of the Greek Iesous, a common enough name that appears in other Greek literature. Even in the New Testament there are other Jesus’s (e.g. Matt. 27:16-17 NIV; Acts 13:6 NIV).

    The ancient Hebrews probably knew very few people with Greek names until Alexander’s conquests in 336-323BC. They may not have known people called Jesus but they did know people called Yehoshuah, Yeshua, or Joshua which are the equivalent of Jesus. In the Old Testament there are a few Joshuas: Joshua son of Nun in Exo. 24:13, etc; Joshua of Beth Shemesh in 1 Sam. 6:14; Joshua the governor of the city in 2 Kings 23:8; and Joshua the High Priest and son of Jozadak in Neh 12:26, etc. These men are called Iesous in the Septuagint – the Greek Old Testament.

    I believe that the stories of Jesus first circulated orally (by word of mouth) in Aramaic. There’s evidence of this Aramaic oral tradition in the written texts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. In fact I hope to write a post about the Aramaic word play on “sons” (beyt-nun) and “stones” (aleph-beyt-nun) in the Synoptic Gospels shortly.

    Most 1st century Jewish people in Israel, except for the scholars, spoke Aramaic, as did Jesus. It is thought that many of the Israelites spoke Aramaic after the Babylonian captivity. This is why they needed Hebrew scholars from the Levites to translate the Hebrew Scriptures for them when Ezra read the Scriptures aloud (Neh. 8:7-9).

    There is no evidence, however, that any of the New Testament books were first written down in Aramaic, let alone Hebrew. The first New Testament “books” were some of Paul’s letters written in around 50-55AD: the letters to the Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, and Philippians. It is unlikely that many of the recipients of Paul’s letters who were living in Asia Minor, Greece, and Macedonia would have understood a letter written in Hebrew. Paul wrote in Greek. The Gospels were written afterwards. Matthew and Luke were probably written in the 70s; John in the 90s. There is no evidence that the Gospels and Acts were written in Hebrew. Moreover, Luke and Acts were written for a man with a Greek name: Theophilus.

    A person’s name represents that person (or deity.) It is the person of Jesus who saves whether you call him Yahuweh, Yahwah, Jehovah, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesu, Ježíš, Gesù, Isus, Isa, 耶稣, Иисус, 예수, イエス・キリスト, พระเยซู, or Jesus. Many New Testament verses state that Jesus is our Saviour.

    Acts 4:10, 12.

    I hope this all makes sense.
    Marg

  34. Heath says:

    Hi Marg

    Ive just had a look in my old tetament of the king james and it says in Jeremiah 23: 5-6,

    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

    6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The LORD Our Righteousness.

    notice the capital letters for LORD, this is where you apply YHWH (YAHWAH), can you see? the words LORD & GOD in capital letters are a mask over the true name YHWH.

    it says in the back of my king james bible under the letter Y, when ever the words LORD AND GOD appear in large or small capital letters, the original hebrew reads YHWH.

    so with that said, this means that Jeremiah 23:5-6 is talking about the messiah, being called YAHWAH , not jesus.

    Regards
    Heath

  35. Marg says:

    Hi Heath,

    In my article I make it plain that “LORD” (all capitals) stands for YHWH in the Old Testament – a poor choice of the English translators in my opinion. (Most English translations explain this translation of YHWH in the beginning of their Bibles.)

    Jeremiah 23:5-6 are beautiful verses and we have yet to see the complete fulfillment of these promises. However, I believe that Jesus is the Messiah. His Hebrew name Yeshua means “YHWH’s Salvation”. Do you think that Jesus is not the Messiah? Are you still waiting for the Messiah?

    I believe there is no name higher than the name of Jesus (Phil 2:9-11). Jesus is Lord; i.e. Jesus is YHWH. I wish all Christians knew God’s Name – YHWH. One day they will.

    I appreciate you sincerity and earnestness.

    Marg

  36. heath says:

    Hi Marg

    I am a white english male of 48 years baptized in the name of JESUS, ive been a JESUS man all my life, then one day I realized that father has a name too.

    so I looked into this for about a year and found out by scripture the it takes only one name, yes the father is yhwh and the son is yhwh they are both one, well you would think two but no one.

    the name JESUS is a latin greek english name not hebrew , the only thing english about it is the letter J,
    people seem to think that the old testament has nothing to do with the new but they both inter link many times.
    John 5:43
    43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. this is the Messiah but his name aint JESUS.

    if the fathers name is yahwah then the son is also yahwah.
    yahwah is the father yahwah is the son yahwah is the holy spirit all three are one Ha Ha .

    marg when you get to thinking they are two separate people just sing that little tune to yourself and all will be clear.

    Do not be like the pope with no hope
    praise YAHWAH

    Regards
    Heath
    Joel 2:32

  37. Nathan says:

    Hashem doesn’t mean “the name” it means “that name” it gives distinction to his name. As far as what Anthony states that they looked at God and lived. Jesus was never to my memory referred to as and Angel of the Lord in the new testament. The reason being is that if he was people would be saying that he is not God but less than God. The bible refers to Angels as heavenly messengers, not God. Jesus was referred to as Immanuel (God with US) not an angel. The reason why they stated they saw God and lived was because the Angels were inthe presense of God and that radiated off of them, and that is what they saw

    • Anthony says:

      Blessing Nathan the reason Jesus was The angel of the Lord in the old testament was because the Bible clearly states that no one can look upon the face of GOD( THE FATHER) and yet live. Samson’s parents knew in their hearts they had seen GOD,also Isaiah stated the same thing yet all lived, did the Bible lie? No but the did see God but it was Jesus not the Father. Jesus also appeared to Abram as well before he destroyed Sodom. Jesus was the one who lead the Israelites out of Egypt in the cloud. The phrase “The angel of the Lord” is unique in the O.T. it carries power more than the phase “a angel of the lord” hope this helps God bless!!

  38. Marg says:

    Hi Nathan,

    Anthony was referring to appearances of the second person of the Trinity in the Old Testament, not the New Testament. In the New Testament Jesus is indeed Immanuel.

    Many Christians do believe that Jesus (or the second person of the Trinity) visited the people of God on some occasions in Old Testament times as “The Angel of YHWH”.

    Regarding Jesus as a messenger is not disrespectful. Jesus said many times during his earthly mission, as recorded in the gospels, that he was sent on a mission. However, Jesus is God, he is far above the angels. Despite his lofty status, Jesus is the mediator between God and mankind.

  39. Anthony says:

    I’m wondering if Heath is a oneness believer thinking that Jesus And the Father are the same person. Don’t want to assume thought just asking

  40. Marg says:

    Hi Anthony,

    I don’t think the Scripture specifies “father” when saying that no one can see God and live. Moreover, I can only find one verse where God speaks and says that people will die if they see him (Exodus 33:20).

    There are plenty of verses in the Old Testament where people see God, and not only live, but are blessed.

    “Look, the Lord our God has shown us his glory and greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the fire. Today we have seen that God may speak to someone and the person may still live.” Deuteronomy 5:24 cf Genesis 16:13; Exodus 3:6; 24:9-11; Judges 6:22-23; 13:22-23.

    • Anthony says:

      Yes the word Father is not used, was just using it to just differentially and to prove that Jesus did appear to many in the O.T. if we go by Exodus 33:20 because God is spirit and we worship him in spirit, then the manifestation of God could only be Jesus. This is what I am going by if that makes sense

  41. Anthony says:

    Marg I love your wisdom and I pray that God will continue to reveal his glory to you and your loved ones. Stay blessed

  42. Marg says:

    Thanks Anthony. The true nature of God and the Trinity is still clouded in mystery. But one day we will see and be able to understand.

  43. Anthony says:

    Marg if I may ask, what is your take on Once Saved Always Saved? Its a big divide in the churches it seems, I believe on has to remain in Christ in order not to be snatched out of his hand. I don’t believe we have the freedom to sin because Jesus already paid for it on the cross.

  44. Marg says:

    There are verses which indicate both ways of thinking : “Once Saved Always Saved” and “Continuing Salvation”. I believe that we ourselves can walk away from God, but I also believe that no one can take us away from him unwillingly.

    I’ve written about this here: http://newlife.id.au/christian-living/instant-christianity/ and here: http://newlife.id.au/margs-articles/christian-livinginstant-chritianitycontinuing-salvation-verses/

    • Anthony says:

      Marg thanks for the links I also do not believe in OSAS, and my basis comes from the prodigal son. The Scriptures teach us that the one son was DEAD then made Alive Again, now in the Greek from what I understand the words ” alive again” in the Greek means to REVIVE. So if one is dead in the spirit and God would have taken his hand off this son my assumption is that he would have went to hell because of the state of his spirit. But he repented and was made alive again, thus showing we can walk away from our salvation. GOD is always there and he will never walk away but we can and many do. Another verse I think in Romans states that God is able to graft Israel back into the branch AGAIN as well. That word ” again” carries a lot of meaning, just like the word “if” that you presented in your links. Let me know what you think. Thanks

  45. Heath says:

    I’m wondering if Heath is a oneness believer thinking that Jesus And the Father are the same person. Don’t want to assume thought just asking.

    Answer is yes, how can it be any other way and make sence?

    Please show me where in the old testament does it say jesus??

  46. Anthony says:

    Heath thank you for your response. Clearly the name Jesus isn’t mentioned in the O.T.but we see Jesus althrough the OT many times as I posted before. To think that Jesus is the Father is not Biblical if one looks at the grammar when Jesus speaks about the Father it clearly shows he is not speaking of himself. Example Jesus didn’t pray to himself in the garden did he?? How is it that Paul’s letters show 2 distinct person not one when he thanks the Father and the Son. Jesus is equal to the Father in nature, the Bible says he was SENT, did he send himself? I will await your response.

  47. Heath says:

    Thank you Anthony

    deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel the LORD (capitals) our god the LORD (capitals again) is one.

    Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    (like water,ice steam, same thing but manifested differently)

    When I read the bible I see that it takes a name(singular) no were in the bible does it say names.

    as for the name jesus its only 400 years old,and yes your right it does not say jesus in the OT.

    2 chronicles 7;14
    if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves,and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then i will hear from heaven.

    our father in heaven hallowed be thy name (what name)

    bless you anthony, and keep studying your bible.

    • Anthony says:

      Heath thanks for your response. I would like to ask you some question if u don’t mind to see if your stance holds up against God’s word. 1. Why is it no where in script is God called or seen as a Unitarian? 2. If God is Unitarian the explain Gen.19:24 where Yahweh(Lord) rained brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven? 3.if God is Unitarian why do we see the Father,Son, and Holy Spirit clearly distinguished from each other in the same verse? In the NT Jesus is referred to as “the Son” over 200 times . I see many plural description look at Isa 54:5

  48. Marg says:

    Heath, Judging by your comments it seems that you have not read the article or have not understood it.

    Please read the article and it may answer some of your questions.

  49. C. Nicholas says:

    This is so great. I really enjoyed the whole content of the script not for amusement but to some aspects of the related doctrine(Biblical not Church Believe) Im working on… God Bless you, Marg..
    In fact the understanding of this whole staff is a Mystery.. We do not just only understand is by Knowledge(Scripture) but by a Revelation of the Knowledge(Scripture).
    One other thing I was happy you did say on a comment made was that Jesus needn’t to proclaim himself to be a Deity.
    There are several passages in the Old T. which points to a person to come and in itself shows a Godly nature. Some of these are direct titles of a Deity, others are indirect; yet in all they tend to point to a person to come.
    Now in the New T., there are passages which answers/tend to link up/point to those of the Old T.. This is what I think Marg has point out in this article(Ony if I had her right). That person tends to be Jesus. In fact all shows that those prophetic and most Godly passages which Marg has pointed tends to be Jesus. In my culture(Ghana), one need not to say he is a king before the other knows.. for the appearance of a King talks of itself. When Jesus was asked whether He was the Son of God[“Son” and “God” denoting humanity of a Deity], He said You have said it. The mystery is that He need not to have declared that before them for they themselves had bared witness of that fact… Why and How? Because His personality and life did testify… Jesus Is a Deity, Jesus Is God….

  50. Peter Dixon says:

    There is no “W” in Hebrew.

  51. Soul Searching says:

    I have questions, If Jesus is God, why he let the people of Israel to crucify him in order for God himself forgave the sins of our forefathers? Does God cannot forgive somebody who is sincerely asking for repentance? If Jesus was destined to die in a cross, why he asked God to save him from those people who wanted to harm him? What is the particular or exact message of Jesus to people, is it to believe in One God or to worship him equally to One God?Is there any one common message given to all prophets? Please give me certain answers. Hoping these questions will be answered in the purpose of soul searching. Thank you.

    • Marg says:

      Hi SS,

      These are excellent questions but to respond to each of them will take some time, so I will begin by answering your first question, and touch on answering some other questions.

      God did not let the people of Israel crucify Jesus. It was part of a plan. Jesus foretold of his suffering and death several times, as is recorded in the gospels. In John’s gospel, Jesus speaks about his “hour” that has not yet come in several verses, until his hour then did in fact come. Jesus death and resurrection was planned and timed. Jesus’s life was preserved from harm until the right time for his crucifixion.

      Jesus’ resurrection was also part of the plan. Jesus said that he has the power/authority to lay down his life and take it back up (John 10:17-18). In Romans 8:11 it says that the Spirit raised Jesus from death. In other verses it seems that the resurrection was the work of the Father. Jesus’ resurrection is an example of the Trinity working together.

      The Old Testament repeatedly points to a blood sacrifice as the way to atone for sin. But these sacrifices only covered sin, they did not remove sin.

      “For what the [Old Testament] Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us.” Romans 8:3-4

      Other Old Testament verses point to a Saviour who will make this ultimate sacrifice.

      The ultimate message is about believing or trusting in Jesus as Saviour and Lord (John 3:16). According to the New Testament, unbelief is the sin that brings condemnation and death.

      Here are Jesus’ words on this topic: “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God.” John 3:16-18

      I hope this helps as a start.

      You might want to read the whole of Romans chapter 8 here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=NASB
      And here is a shorter reading taken from John chapter 10: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+10%3A11-18&version=NASB

      • Soul Searching says:

        Hello Ms Marg,

        Thank you for your replies,truly appreciated. I have read about the Gospel of Barnabas. Why such Gospel are trying not to reveal, why it kept hidden as much as possible. I’ve also discovered that after the death of Jesus son of Mary, 270 different version of Bibles were known. If Law of God is the Creator, the statements of the book must be came from God Himself, but if the Law of God has been altered by humans, is it right to call it Law of God or both Law of God and humans? I’m just worried why there are different versions of bibles and sects. A religion is something that must bring unity among us regardless of cultures and races. Does this conflict arise because our bibles have been altered or mixed with human thoughts? Please give me answers, I just want to know the truth. Thank you.

        • Marg says:

          Did you find Romans 8 and John 10 helpful? These passages may answer some of your questions.

          I’ll answer you latest questions later today.

          • Soul Searching says:

            Romans 8. 14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery [g]leading to fear again, but you have received [h]a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, “Abba! Father!” 16 The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
            What does this mean, that those who believe in God can be also considered as sons of God?

          • Soul Searching says:

            ‘And there is no God else beside Me; a just God and a Savior; there is none beside Me. Look to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am God, and there is none else.’ (Isaiah 45:21-22, Jonah 3:5-10)
            The messages of God shall not put confusions to human mind. If He clearly stated that There is No God Beside Him, He meant that He is One. And there is no clear verses stating that God has trinity, only we just interpret it according to some verses. Does being Sons of God is similar with Servant of God? In Hebrew, they believe that God is One, no wife nor children. If the Original bible written in Hebrew, does this mean that the original bible states that God is One and that those who have faith with God are called the sons of God as servants of God? God is something eternal, no start and has no ending. When He created the earth and the whole universe, He must not get tired because He is the most powerful. He can do all the impossible, He will not let His creations to be equally with Him because since God is the Creator, does it make it a sense that He can also destroy His creations if He wants it and create a new one who can obey Him?

  52. Marg says:

    In reply to your more recent questions/comments:
    Yes, absolutely, every person who makes the decision to follow Jesus, and thus has been regenerated by his Holy Spirit, has been adopted as a child of God. Adoption is one of the aspects of salvation.

    “But as many as received [Jesus], to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.” John 1:12-13
    [More on this here.]

    God – YHWH – is eternal and all powerful. Even in the Old Testament we see some evidence of his plurality. And in my article above you can see how Jesus fulfills aspects of YHWH’s divinity, so to speak.

  53. Marg says:

    In answer to your question about the Bible.

    The first books of the New Testament were written about 50-54AD, some of the later books were written about 90-100AD. They were written by different people, living in different places, at different times. They were gradually collated by the church. One of the first collections recorded is known as the Muratorian canon.

    As well as the 27 books that were included in the New Testament there were many other books and letters written by Christians that were not included in the canon of Scripture. Even though these other books are not regarded as Holy Scripture they are very useful to help our understanding of Christian thought and practice in the first few centuries of the church. However, most Christians, myself included, reject concepts that are not articulated in the canonical literature.

    I have read many early Christian works that didn’t make it into the New Testament, and, while I enjoy many of them, I can see why they weren’t accepted in the New Testament. They lack spiritual authority and some are too fanciful and lack sound teaching.

    Today there are thousands of translations of the Bible, but they are all derived from just a few critical editions of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. A translation does not alter the meaning, it just translates.

    God has always used people as mediators of his message, and he still does.

    More on this here: http://newlife.id.au/christian-theology/the-authority-and-authenticity-of-nt-scripture/

  54. Marg says:

    I do not think religion unites people. This is demonstrated by the fact that every major religion has many different denominations or factions or sects. Religions have hurt people, and many atrocities have been done in the name of religion. I have no doubt that God is completely against the idea of harming people in his name.

    For Christians, it is the person of Jesus who unites us, not any religion. I work every day with Christians who belong to a variety of different Christian denominations, and we all respect each other and work together very well.

    Just like each of our children are different, have different strengths, and express their love for their parents differently, different denominations have different expressions of worship and different doctrines that they focus on. But all true Christians and churches focus on the person of Jesus.

  55. Soul Searching says:

    Ms Marg,
    Thank you again for your replies. I keep on seeking for the truth because I believe that God never intend to put confusions to human minds, it is human who creates confusion because of lack of understanding and determination to seek for the purpose of existence. The kindness of man depends on himself. God created us with free will, though He predetermined our destiny, but not necessarily He is approving the decision from the choices He is giving to us. I believe that God is the most Justified, that He will not create somebody who is better from each of us, that He will not create us as a sinner from the beginning because if He does, what is the purpose of providing us a Free will or the purpose of obeying His Law if we are already a sinner since we’re born? I’m also confuse why people able to put or select verses from the Old testament to make a new one? On my point of view, the original scriptures of God must not alter by any human thoughts because if we do, we are creating the Law which might be more comfortable to us but most probably interfering some of the Law of God bestowed upon us through His messengers and prophets.
    I have some more verses in the bible that put me into confusion if we are truly interpret the Law of God right.

    That God is not a man
    ‘God is not a man’ (Numbers 23:19)
    ‘For I am God, and not man’ (Hosea 11:9)

    But bible called Jesus as man
    ‘a man who has told you the truth’ (John 8:40)
    ‘Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst, just as you yourselves know.’ (Acts 2:22)
    ‘He will judge the world in righteousness through a man whom He has appointed’ (Acts 17:31)
    ‘the man Christ Jesus’ (Tim. 2:5)

    That God is not a son of man
    ‘God is not a man nor a son of man’ (Numbers 23:19)

    The Bible often calls Jesus ‘a son of man’ or ‘the son of man.’
    ‘so will the son of man be’ (Matthew 12:40)
    ‘For the son of man is going to come’ (Matthew 16:27)
    ‘until they see the son of man coming in His kingdom.’ (Matthew 28)
    ‘But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority’ (Mark 2:10)
    ‘because he is the son of man’ (John 5:27)
    In the Hebrew scriptures, the ‘son of man’ is also used many times speaking of people (Job 25:6; Psalm 80:17; 144:3; Ezekiel 2:1; 2:3; 2:6-8; 3:1-3).

    That even Jesus, denied he is a God
    Jesus spoke to a man who had called him ‘good,’ asking him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.’ (Luke 18:19)
    And he said to him, ‘Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.’ (Matthew 19:17)

    Or even God is greater than Jesus according to Bible
    ‘My Father is greater than I’ (John 14:28)
    ‘My father is greater than all.’ (John 10:29)

    That he never instructed his disciples to worship him, Jesus himself but the Father alone

    ‘When you pray, say Our Father which art in heaven.’ (Luke 11:2)

    ‘In that day, you shall ask me nothing. Whatsoever you ask of the Father in my name.’ (John 16:23)

    ‘The hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship him.’ (John 4:23)

    That even Jesus worshiped One God

    ‘that they might know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’ (John 17:3)

    ‘he continued all night in prayer to God.’ (Luke 6:12)
    ‘Just as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve’ (Matthew 20:28)

    And Pray through this manner
    ‘he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, ‘My Father’ (Matthew 26:39)

    ‘During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.’ (Hebrews 5:7)

    That Jesus did not put himself equally with God
    and that God performed miracles through Jesus & Jesus was limited in what he could do:

    ‘But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.’ (Matt. 9:8)

    ‘a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst.’ (Acts 2:22)

    ‘he went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.’ (Acts 10:38)

    That even Jesus has limited performing miracles, but God is the most powerful so He must not have limits or get tired to give us His mercy
    One time when Jesus tried to heal a blind man, the man was not healed after the first attempt, and Jesus had to try a second time (Mark 8:22-26).
    ‘At once Jesus realized that power had gone out from him. He turned around in the crowd and asked, ‘Who touched my clothes?’ (Mark 5:30)

    ‘He could not do any miracles there, except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them.’ (Mark 6:5)

    That in time of weakness, God sent Jesus angels to strengthen him
    ‘An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him – in the garden of Gethsemane’ (Luke 22:43)

    ‘Then the devil left him; and behold, angels came and began to minister to Him’ (Mark. 1:13)

    ‘And he was in the wilderness forty days being tempted by Satan; and he was with the wild beasts, and the angels were ministering to him.’ (Mark 1:13)

    That Jesus wanted God’s will to be done
    ‘not my will but Yours be done.’ (Luke 22:42)

    ‘I do not seek my own will, but the will of Him who sent me.’ (John 5:30)

    ‘For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.’ (John 6:38)

    That he regard himself and God as two different entities, not as One God
    ‘I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father.’ (John 8:17-18:)

    ‘Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.’ (John 14:1)

    That Jesus is subordinate to God
    ‘Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.’ (1 Corinthians 11:3)

    ‘When he has done this, then the son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.’ (1 Corinthians 15:28)

    That Jesus grew in wisdom and learning
    But God is All Wise & does not need to learn: Jesus grew in wisdom, but God is all wise ‘Great is our Lord and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite.’ (Psalms 147:5)

    ‘And Jesus increased in wisdom.’ (Luke 2:52)

    God does not need to learn, but Jesus learned: ‘Although he was a son, he learned obedience’ (Heb. 5:8)
    ‘No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father.’ (Mark 13:32)

    That his teachings were from God and not from Jesus himself
    ‘So Jesus answered them and said, ‘My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me.’ (John 7:16)

    That his power was given by God
    ‘All power is given unto me.’ (Matt 28:18)

    That he was taught and commanded by God

    ‘As my Father hath taught me, I speak these things,’ (John 8:28)
    ‘The Father, who sent me, he gave me a commandment.’ (John 12:49)
    ‘I have kept my Father’s commandments.’ (John 15:10)

    ‘God has made this Jesus both Lord and Christ.’ (Acts 2:36)
    ‘Lord’ is used in many ways in the Bible, and others beside God and Jesus are called ‘Lord.’ For example:

    1) property owners (Matt. 20:8)
    2) heads of households (Mark 13:35)
    3) slave owners (Matt. 10:24)
    4) husbands (1 Pet. 3:6)
    5) a son called his father Lord (Matt. 21:30)
    6) the Roman Emperor was called Lord (Acts 25:26)
    7) Roman authorities were called Lord (Matt. 27:63)

    ‘Lord’ is not the same as ‘God.’ ‘Lord’ (the Greek word is kurios) is a masculine title of respect and nobility used many times in the Bible.

    That Jesus was lower than angels
    ‘But we do see him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus.’ (Hebrews 2:9)

    That he called his Father, “my God”
    ‘My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?’ (Matt. 27:46)
    ‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.’ (John 20:17)

    ‘the temple of my God the name of my God the city of my God comes down out of heaven from my God.’ (Rev. 3:12)

    That God cannot be seen
    But Jesus was seen by others ‘no man has seen God at any time.’ (John 1:18)

    That Jesus was accused of being a God
    ‘The son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do’; and directly after ‘I can of mine own self do nothing.’ (John 5:19, 30)

    In answer to the charge of making himself God, he appeals to the Jews in substance thus: Your own Scriptures call Moses a god, and your magistrates gods; I am surely not inferior to them, yet I did not call myself God, but only the ‘son’ of God (John 10:34-36).

    That God had many “sons”

    Adam: ‘Adam, which was the son of God.’ (Luke 3:38)
    Jacob is God’s son and firstborn: ‘Israel is my son, even my firstborn.’ (Exodus 4:22)

    Solomon: ‘I will be his father, and he shall be my son.’ (2 Samuel 7:13-14)

    Ephraim: ‘for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.’ (Jeremiah 31:9)

    is God’s firstborn, common people are called the sons of God: ‘Ye are the children of the Lord your God’ (Deuteronomy 14:1)

    We believe in God but how much we are sure that we believe in the right God? salvation began since God created humans to worship Him, even before the time of Jesus. The verses above must not be overlooked as the messages of God must be fully understand, regardless of human opinions. It must be purely the message of God Himself. Thank you.

    • Marg says:

      Hi SS, Please make your comments shorter, as is impossible to reply adequately to lengthy comments.

      I do not overlook the verses you have mentioned. I notice that you quoted Hebrews 2:9. Jesus did become a little lower than the angels by taking on human flesh, and he also emptied himself of his divine privileges (Phil. 2:6-8). While on earth he was completely reliant on the Father and the Spirit. Yet “in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily” (Col.2:9). These are basic Christian doctrines.

      But when Jesus had accomplished his earthly ministry he was again crowned with glory and honour (Heb. 2:9) and was given ha’shem so that “at the name of Jesus every knee should bend,in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord” (Phil 2:8-10).

      Not only did Jesus prefer to be called by the title “The Son of Man” a more accurate translation of this title is “Son of Humanity”. Jesus became human so that he could live among us and help us understand God (John 1:14).

      “Since, therefore, the children share flesh and blood, he himself likewise shared the same things, so that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by the fear of death. For it is clear that he did not come to help angels, but the descendants of Abraham. Therefore he had to become like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of the people. Because he himself was tested by what he suffered, he is able to help those who are being tested. Hebrews 2:10-14

      There are many more verses that echo what I have written so far in this comment.

      I agree it is important to understand the message of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, accurately, but it is not an accurate theology that saves us. Faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour is what saves us, because only Jesus’ death on the cross has paid the penalty for our sins. (And I am well aware of the different uses of kurios in the New Testament and Septuagint.)

      The God I love, serve, and worship is YHWH, the God of the Bible. Not only do I worship him, I know him because I have his promised Holy Spirit (also know as the Spirit of Christ) living inside me, testifying that I am his child and empowering me to serve him (Rom. 8:9-10, 14; 2 Cor. 13:5).

      I am not expressing human opinions, but Scripture. It seems that you have a different theology than me. I wish you well with that. If you are interested in what it means to be a Christian, I have written some basic material here:
      http://newlife.id.au/category/thought-about-becoming-a-christian/

      • Marg says:

        As an aside, the Greek word for head (kephalē) in 1 Cor. 11:3 means “source” or “origin”.

        So the Corinthians seem to be saying that the triune God is the source for the Messiah, or Christ; the Messiah is the source of men, and the first man was the source of the first woman. But this idea is incomplete and not quite correct, so Paul gives his more correct response to the Corinthians’ idea in 1 Corinthians 11:11-12. More on this here.

        It is important not to confuse the parts where Paul quotes from the Corinthians’ letters with Paul’s own teaching.

  56. Sean says:

    If you do a little searching throughout the KJV text, you will find God’s/Jesus Christ’s signature “as one”, hidden in code form. Go to http://goo.gl/38qh or google ,BIBLE CODE INTRODUCTION ENJOY THE SHOW, and at the web site click on the yellow flashing words “Watch / Listen”. However, despite this discovery of the higher power at work, religious “believers” so far want nothing of it.

    A believer, who sticks to his or her beliefs, sticks to only seeing the truth as best as it can be seen from a distance. After all, one only need practice a belief if one is not in direct contact with the truth. If one is not in direct contact with the truth, then one is located at a distance from the truth

    If one is located at a distance from the truth, then one is located within the zone of “Less than Truth.”.

    Since only less than truth is accepted by the fixated believers, if truth is presented to them in the here and now, and thus there is no distance, it is immediately spat at, flogged, and crucified. This is what happens if truth is presented to believers, just as was demonstrated approximately 2,000 years ago.

    The fixated believers base their decisions upon their beliefs and disbeliefs. Thus they place their beliefs at the top of the ladder in decision making. Thus they place beliefs above truths, even though truth obviously belongs at the top.

    • Marg says:

      Sean, what about the millions of people who follow Jesus but cannot read English. Are they distanced from truth?
      Or what about the people who can read the biblical texts in Hebrew and Greek? Are they distanced from the truth?

      I think those who think that God would only choose an English translation with which to reveal his truth are either very short sighted or possibly racist.

      Jesus is the Savior and Lord of Christians of all nations – every tribe and tongue – not just of English speakers.

  57. […] 5. Proving that Jesus is God from Old Testament Scripture […]

  58. dave says:

    I am no expert on the scriptures…but from my understanding it is just as it says. God/LORD is the father the almighty. He has a son who we know as Jesus/son of man etc. God has exalted him above everyone else, but he is still “lesser” than God. The Trinity is a man made idea/doctrine that most people who say they believe-in cannot even explain or understand themselves. The fact that the majority of Christians around the world believe this doctrine does NOT make it the truth! There are sadly false/pagan doctrine that has “polluted” the modern Christian faith. Now people put all their faith in the religious leaders and don’t find out for themselves. These “leaders” do not have the power to grant us everlasting life…only God can, and his word the bible is available to all of us so we may find the “truth”. There are so many versions of the truth out there that we are forced to do some of our own research. I want to have a personal relationship with the creator and so i need to know and use his personal name…YHVH/JAHWEH/Jehovah. Now there is no confusion JAHWEH is God and Jesus is his son.

  59. […] Proving that Jesus is God from Old Testament Scripture […]

  60. marc says:

    May i? Yeshua is the christ and the son of God. This is always yeshua’s claim nothing else. He did not claim that he is God himsekf but instead he is the son of the most high. This verse will clear all your confusions.

    Philippians 2:5-11
    Paul explained what nature jesus have and what he took because of his complete obedience to his father.

    Trinity only makes it confusing because it was never proven. Trinity always makes the escape that you will never understand the nature of God 3 in 1. God is the father he is the creator of allthings for whom we live. jesus is the son through whom we live jesus is our savior whom God gave him his name. Do not be confused test the trinity if it is of God.

  61. Ryan says:

    Please dont put God in your little box, our minds i just a spec of a dust. God is love, before creation, He loves the son and they are one.

  62. brandon says:

    In reference to the Zechariah passage that is “obviously” Jesus speaking through the prophet….how did we go from nails to swords and why would you use as evidence a passage speaking of false prophets?the vast majority of Zechariah deals with Jerusalem’s idolatry and heeding the voices of false prophets, which are frequently given voice in his writing. So are we to understand that Jesus is on fact a false prophet? And then there’s the matter that moshiac must be an heir of David….which if he was in fact born of a virgin (which is nowhere in scripture other than the Greek testament) then it is impossible for him to be an heir at all. But it is a cute story from Greek mythology. The trinity is also a nice throwback to roman paganism.

    • Marg says:

      Hi Brandon,

      Your comment is all over the place, but I’ll have a go at responding to a few things you wrote.

      Yahweh is speaking in Zechariah chapter 12, and he is not a false prophet. (See Zech. 12:1). In Zechariah 12:10 Yahweh says, “They will look at me whom they have pierced.” Jesus says that exact same thing in the New Testament (Rev. 1:7). Jesus was pierced with a spear while he hung on the cross (John 19:34).

      I think this is fairly clear enough in the article above. I suggest you read it again if you’re interested.

      Your point that Jesus can’t be an heir if he was born of a virgin doesn’t make sense. He can be an heir of his mother and/or of his adopted father. But it has nothing to do with the topic of this article.

      You’re welcome to your views, but I’d prefer you not to leave them here if they are not related to this article.

  63. Son of man says:

    Hello sons and daughters of the one true living God, please ask our heavenly Father to bless you with wisdom, knowledge, understanding, and discernment. And please pray always that you will be accounted worthy to escape the hour of temptation that is going to come upon the entire world. And pray that you will also be accounted worthy to stand in the presence of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

  64. Tiff says:

    I appreciate all that I have read here, please forgive my ignorance.

    My frustration comes in because I have friends of the Islamic faith.
    Seeing that they only believe in the Old Testament, there aren’t any scriptures that plainly say, Jesus is the Son of God. Because of my believe I am made to look like a fool for believing in something I cannot prove.
    I have read through the OT scripture referrals above and still feel at a lost.

    Thank you,
    Tiff

    • Marg says:

      Hi Tiff,

      You are right. There aren’t any Old Testament verses which succinctly state that “Jesus is the Son of God”. That is because the records of Jesus coming from God to the earth in human form, and being called “Jesus” only occur in the New Testament. Yet, in the Old Testament there are many hints (prophecies) – some big, some little – about what kind of person the Messiah would be. It is only by comparing the Old and New Testaments that we see that Jesus is the Messiah and belongs to the “godhead” call YHWH.

  65. Decoding God says:

    Great article.

    A growing number of Biblical scholars and teachers (Piper, MacArthur, Zacharias, Keller) concur that the “Name above every name” is not Jesus (English) or YHWshua (Hebrew) or Yeshua (Aramaic), or Iesous (Greek).
    “Every knee will bow,
    and every tongue will confess
    that YHWshua (YHW’salvation)
    is in fact YHWH.

    The Greek word Kurious is written in English as Lord, and is interpreted as YHWH.

    It seems many over the past few hundred years have rearranged God’s earthly [YHWshua/Jesus] Name over His Heavenly Logos Name YHWH. To be very clear the point of this scripture verse is the prophecy of all prophecies, that EVERY knee is bowed when the Name YHWshua/Jesus is called out. BUT, that every TONGUE – ALL of humanity will finally see, understand and THEN CONFESS that the person they are bowing to is YHWH, the KING. This is the revelation that is at the heart of the GOSPEL. That He is crowned the very same Logos YHWH after His resurrection, as He was prior to the beginning of time, the very same YHWH throughout creation. He has indeed been crowned with the added breath of Hey (remember the story of the added Hey with AbraHam and SaraH): YHW+H.

    The Name above every name is in fact: YHWH
    Jesus is in fact: YHWH
    The Holy Spirit is in fact: YHWH
    Did you ever wonder why constantly in the OT YHWH is listed in threes? I did. And I’ve been fascinated ever since.
    The role of the Holy Spirit is to awaken this very same message, the “preaching of the LOGOS,” as did the first century church who knew so very well…and the many martyrs who died for this Word.

    1) YHWH Created all Creation – Isaiah 44:24
    2.) YHWshua Created all Creation – Colossians 1:16
    3) The great mystery understood is the identity of YHWshua the Messiah who is the Logos = YHWH.

    We’ve heard the message since 1632 and even sung the song (Jesus is the Sweetest Name I know), so that we (Western Christianity) have been actively ErasingGod for hundreds of years. The Name that is above heaven and earth is YHWH. The Name which was beneath the Heaven is YHW’shua.
    The crowned name of the King of Kings is: YHWH known at His resurrection and His return. This concept becomes much more clear as we reach the end of days.

    John 8: 24 YHW’shua said that unless we believe He is YHWH we will die in our sins. Quite impossible to misinterpret this (and all the other) verses that point to the true identity of YHW’shua/Jesus.

    I’m open to discussing these points. I’m learning from scripture not tradition, as hopefully we all are.

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