Proving that Jesus is God from Old Testament Scripture

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When reading the New Testament it seems so obvious at times that Jesus is God and equal with the Father.[1]  But in other passages Jesus’ full divinity is more ambiguous.  I believe that conclusive proof of Jesus’ full divinity can be seen when we compare certain Old Testament verses with corresponding New Testament verses.  The key to this is recognising God’s Name in Scripture.

There is only one true, supreme God – the  God of the Bible – and his Name is YHWH.  YHWH is usually translated as LORD (all capital letters) in English translations of the Old Testament.  Most good Bible versions explain this translation in their preface. Check it out.

Out of reverence for the holiness of God, the Jews stopped saying God’s Name a couple of hundred years BC, so the correct pronunciation of YHWH is uncertain.[2]  The Hebrew language does not contain vowels, but we can ascertain that the first syllable of God’s Name is probably pronounced “Yah” because it is found in the word Hallelujah (or Halleluyah).  Hallelujah means “Praise the LORD” or, more correctly, “Praise YHWH”.  Some Christians pronounce YHWH as “Yahweh”.[3]

Yahweh means: “I Am who I Am.”  God explained his Name to Moses during the burning bush encounter when God commissioned Moses to free Israel from Egyptian bondage (Exodus 3:13-15).  God’s Name, the “I Am”, gives a sense of the enigmatic, transcendent and eternal nature of God (Cf Revelation 1:8).

Three infinite and eternal persons belong to this Godhead called Yahweh: (1) the Father, (2) the Son, Jesus Christ, and (3) the Holy Spirit. These three persons are bound closely together in unity of power and purpose and are often referred to as the Trinity.  Yahweh is one God made up of three persons.

The fact that Jesus Christ is Yahweh can be determined by comparing the following Old Testament verses with the corresponding New Testament verses.

Isaiah 40:3 speaks about preparing the way for the LORD (Yahweh).  When we compare this verse with Mark 1:3 we see that Jesus is the LORD who had the way prepared for him by John the Baptist.

In Joel 2:32a it says that whoever calls upon the Name of the LORD (Yahweh) will be saved.  This verse is quoted by Peter in Acts 2:21, and by Paul in Romans 10:13.  Both apostles are clearly referring to Jesus as the LORD.

In Isaiah 6:1-10 we read about the marvelous vision that Isaiah had revealing the glory of the LORD (Yahweh).  John tells us in John 12:40-41 that this vision revealed the glory of Jesus.

In Isaiah 44:6, the LORD (Yahweh) refers to himself as “the First and the Last”.  In Revelation 1:8 and 17, Jesus similarly refers to himself as “the Alpha and the Omega” and “the First and the Last”.

In Zechariah 12:10 the LORD (Yahweh) is speaking and says that, “they will look on Me whom they have pierced.”[4] This is obviously Jesus speaking (Psalm 22:16; John 19:34).  This passage from Zechariah appears again in Revelation 1:7b and is clearly about Jesus Christ.

As Yahweh (along with the Father and the Holy Spirit) Jesus is eternal, having all the qualities and attributes of God.  Even on earth, in human form, Jesus was the image of the invisible God, and the exact representation of God’s nature (Colossians 1:15; Hebrews 1:3).  Jesus is not some sort of demigod; rather, the fullness of deity (“God-ness”) dwells in him  in bodily form (Colossians 2:9).  Jesus Christ, born of the virgin Mary, was fully man and fully God, having both a human and divine nature at the same time.

As eternal God, Jesus Christ existed before he came to earth as a human baby.  He existed before the creation of the earth.  In fact, Jesus was instrumental in its creation.  The Bible says that all things were created by Him, and that nothing was made without Him (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16-17; Hebrews 1:2).   Jesus is not a created being himself.

The Scriptures teach us that there is only one God and we are commanded that we should worship no other gods (Exodus 20:3).  From Scripture we can see that Jesus Christ is worshipped eternally, further proving his deity and place in the Godhead (Philippians 2:10-11; Revelation 5:9-14).

As wonderful as Yahweh’s Name is,[5] there is a name which has even greater significance and importance:

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him a name which is above every name; that at the name of Jesus  every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.  Philippians 2:9-11.

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Endnotes

[1] Jesus’ disciples, those closest to him, testified that Jesus is God. Peter writes “our God and Saviour, Jesus Christ” in 2 Peter 1:1; Thomas addresses Jesus as “My Lord and my God!” in John 20:28; and  John called the Word/Jesus, “God” in John 1:1.  Also, the apostle Paul calls Jesus “the great God and Saviour” in Titus 2:13

[2] King David had no problem with declaring the Name of God.  He uses it frequently in his Psalms.  In Psalm 8:1 & 9 he says (sings), “O Yahweh, our Lord, how majestic is your Name in all the earth!”
Instead of saying God’s Name, many Jews replace YHWH with “Ha’Shem” when reading from Hebrew scripture aloud.  Ha’Shem means “the Name” in Hebrew.

[3] “Jehovah” is another way of saying God’s Name and appeared in old English translations of the Old Testament; but this pronunciation has fallen out of favour because it is considered inaccurate by some.

[4] Some paraphrases, such as the Good News Bible and the Living Bible, do not translate this verse accurately.

[5] “O LORD (Yahweh), our Lord (Adonai), how majestic is your Name in all the earth!”  Psalm 8:1 & 9.

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54 comments on “Proving that Jesus is God from Old Testament Scripture

  1. Emma McCaig says:

    This is so good Margaret, I have made so many notes in my bible! Thank you for all your hard work, it is so very appreciated!

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  4. Emma says:

    I totally forgot about this article, once again it has impacted my understanding of God. This is the kind of teaching that all christians should hear.

  5. Lisa says:

    LOVE this!! thank you so much for taking the time to study and share this in such a way that is easily understood & retained. Can’t wait to share with my friends!

  6. Marg says:

    Thank you Lisa. :)

  7. Linda H says:

    Thank you Marg. I don’t know if you saw my comment on Rachel Held Evans’ blog yesterday but the whole subordination of the son heresy has really been bothering me. This helps a lot.

  8. Marg says:

    Hi Linda, I actually responded to your comment on RHE’s blog because I have a major problem with the concept of “eternal subordination of the Son” too. I also have a major problem with using the Trinity as a model for marriage. I’ve written about this here.

  9. Philip says:

    I think you are incorrect about the Seventh Day Adventist believe that only God the Father is Yahweh. I’ve been to many SDA seminars in an effort to learn scripture even though I disagree with the SDA on a few points. However, I’ve never heard them teach ever that Jesus is anything other than God.

  10. Marg says:

    Thanks for this Philip. I’ve double checked this. My understanding has been that the SDAs believe Jesus is the archangel Michael, the Prince of Israel, mentioned in Daniel 10:13, 21; 12:1 and Jude 1:9, and not God.

    However the SDA’s state: “We believe that the term ‘Michael’ is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead. But such a view does not in any way conflict with our belief in His full deity and eternal pre-existence, nor does it in the least disparage His person and work.” From here (chapter 8.)

    Thank you again for pointing out my error. I’ve removed the wrong information.

  11. Marg says:

    Hi Rizki,

    I don’t think there’s any point in supposing that the New Testament hadn’t existed yet; it does exist. If we didn’t have the New Testament, and the Gospels in particular, we would not have an authentic written record of Jesus’ ministry, and we might not know as much about him as we do.

    I don’t say whether Jesus claimed to be God or the Son of God. That is not the point of my article. (I may write about it one day.)

    What I’ve done in this article is compare a few Old Testament verses about YHWH with a few New Testament verses about Jesus. It’s when we compare these verses that we see that Jesus is YHWH, along with the Father and Holy Spirit; Jesus is God.

    Moses and Abraham are never referred to as YHWH. I can’t comment on Muhammad, because I don’t know anything about him.

    Perhaps you should have another, slower, look at the article, and look at the highlighted verses.

    As I said, my article is not about whether Jesus claimed to be the Son of God. You don’t have to claim to be something to be something. And some people who do claim to be something are wrong. I could go around claiming to be an athlete, but I would be wrong. The best testimony can come from observers, or witnesses. Several people who saw Jesus and observed his ministry gave the testimony that Jesus is the Son of God, and some recorded that testimony in the New Testament.

    I guess it comes down to faith too. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I believe that he is my Lord and Saviour. I believe that he died for my sins, but that he became alive again and lives forever. I believe his Spirit lives in me and that I have eternal life and a glorious future. I believe this with every fibre of my being.

    I also believe that the Old and New Testaments are uniquely inspired by God.

  12. Rizki says:

    Unless I’m missing something here, but suppose the new testament haven’t existed yet, how did you know that Jesus is son of God instead of LORD’s prophet, just like Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, etc? Because the new testament is written after the old one, and in the explanation above, it’s not stated explicitly in the old testament whether Jesus call himself God or son of God.
    In short, the question is, how did you know that Jesus claimed to be God or son of God from the old testament? I don’t see anything about it there.

  13. Dale says:

    I have been a Christian for 54 years. I am now 60. I have been searching the Old Testament to find proof that Jesus and God are one. God has said He is one and there is no one beside him, which is what Jesus said he would be. (At the right hand of God) I AM ONE ! Is that plain enough or do all the verses in the Old Testament just sound confusing ? Tough to change my beliefs now, but I will keep searching for Gods truth.

  14. Marg says:

    Hi Dale,
    The word “one” in Hebrew (echad) doesn’t just mean one in number, it also can mean a unity. For instance when it says that a husband and wife are one (echad) flesh, it doesn’t literally mean that their flesh is one in number, but that husband and wife are united as a couple.

    I believe that the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are united with a profound unity: Three persons but one God.

    One way I explain this concept of “three persons: one God” is by pointing out that in my family we have several family members but we are united as one family.

    “Hear, O Israel, Yahweh is our God, Yahweh is one (echad).” Deuteronomy 6:4

    I wish you well in your searching, and pray that the Holy Spirit lights your way.

  15. Chase Howell says:

    This is a great post. I’m LDS (Mormon) and we, too, believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are all 3 separate beings, but united as “one” in purpose. And we also believe that when God is spoken of, in the Old Testament, that it is referring to Jesus Christ and not Actually God the Father. This article was very helpful in furthering my understanding and also very easy to read and to understand.

  16. Marg says:

    Hi Chase, Thanks for your comment.

    My understanding – which could be wrong – is that LDS people believe that Elohim is God the Father and that YHWH is Jesus. I don’t share that belief.

    My observation is that God is typically referred to as Elohim, Adonai and YHWH in the Old Testament. In fact, God is frequently referred to by using a combination of these words in the OT Scriptures.

    Elohim is just a generic word that is usually used in reference to God in the OT, and not just God the Father. (Because elohim is a generic word, and not a name, it is also used in some other OT contexts for divine or powerful beings.)

    Most English Bible translations translate the generic word Elohim simply as “God”, Adonai as “Lord” and YHWH (God’s unique name) as “LORD”. I believe these three words all refer to the one and the same God. This one God is Triune and includes the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.

    In my article I am not saying that YHWH is Jesus. I’m saying that YHWH is the Triune God which includes Jesus.

    I hope this clears up the misunderstanding.
    (I deleted the link you included in your comment – sorry.)

  17. Chase Howell says:

    Sort of. Elohim, in Hebrew, is a plural meaning of God. Gods. But because Jews thought it was to sacred to speak of so plainly, they replaced the word with Adonai. We believe in the King James version of the bible. The translators for this version wished to uphold the Jewish custom and replaced Adonai with LORD (all capitals). In more modern translated scriptures, though, such as the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, Elohim is used for God the Father and Jehovah is used for Jesus Christ, to help avoid confusion. We believe that Jesus is the God of the old testament acting in the name of God the Father.

  18. Marg says:

    Hi Chase,

    I just double-checked to make sure, but I think you are mistaken.

    The King James Version does not translate Adonai as “LORD” (all capitals). Or do you have a special LDS edition?

    The KJV usually translates Adonai as “Lord” and YHWH as “LORD” or “Jehovah” depending on the edition. (In a few instances where Adonai and YHWH are used together the typical translation is “Lord GOD”.

    Elohim is a plural noun, but there are several plural nouns in Hebrew with singular meaning.

    The Jews do not change or edit their Hebrew manuscripts – this is unthinkable – so Elohim, Adonai and YHWH are still there in the Hebrew Bible. Many Jews have no problem with saying Adonai. In fact, when Jewish people see and read the word YHWH in the biblical text they typically say “Adonai” or “Hashem” (the Name) instead, so that they do not pronounce the unique name of God.

    As you stated some Jews do not like saying Elohim. I even know some Jews who do not like saying “God” in English, and spell it as G-d. Because of this reticence to speak about God in a direct or personal way, some Jewish writings, such as the Targumim, use words like “heaven” when referring to God. Even Matthew spoke about the Kingdom of Heaven rather than the Kingdom of God in his gospel. I think all this is rather unfortunate and unnecessarily scrupulous.

    The Jewish custom of not pronouncing God’s name did not occur before the Babylonian exile. Previous to this, Jewish people, including the Bible writers, had no problem with using God’s unique name. I think it is a shame that most people do not know God’s name – YHWH.

    I’ve used Psalm 8:1 as an example where YHWH and Adonai are used of the one “person”. See the endnote 5.

    Psalm 50:1 uses El, Elohim and YHWH in the opening phrase:
    “The Mighty One (El), God (Elohim), the LORD (YHWH) speaks …” (Psalm 50:1 NIV)
    The King James translates this verse as “The mighty (El) God (Elohim), even the LORD (YHWH), hath spoken …” (Psalm 50:1 KJV)

    I believe that Adonai, Elohim and YHWH all refer to the one, Triune God.

  19. James says:

    thanks for the info.

  20. Josh says:

    Great article! To clarify about the SDA comments… I am a Seventh-day Adventist Christian. I don’t see anything in your article that conflicts with our doctrines. There is a wealth of information that can be written in support of this subject. The one I love perhaps the most, however, is “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.” John 5:39. Jesus was referring to more than just the Messianic Prophesies! He was saying, before there was Abraham… I AM. Looking at scripture in the light of God the Son throughout the OT is a paradigm shift for many and reaffirms my commitment to keeping God’s commandments “because” He saved me, including the seventh day (Saturday) Sabbath as written by the very finger of Christ our God.

  21. Marg says:

    Hi Josh,

    Thanks so much for reminding me of John 5:39. It’s very apt for this subject!

    I did have a wrong statement about SDA beliefs in my original article but someone pointed out my error, so I edited out the mistake.

  22. Mark says:

    Hi, I like this post. Another great reference to Jesus being God in the old testament is Isaiah 9:6 because it references the child being born to everlasting father and mighty God. I only wish my brother could grasp this concept. If you could pray for him, his name is Daniel. Grace and peace, and may God bless you and your family

  23. Marg says:

    Thanks for sharing the verse, Mark; it is a great one.
    I’ve said a prayer for Daniel.

    And thanks for the blessing. :)
    Blessings to you and your’s too, in Jesus’ Name.

  24. karen says:

    Thank you very much. This has helped me with an assignment I had to do! Blessings……

  25. LiLi of God says:

    THINK OF IT THIS WAY
    YOU ARE JOHN OR KAREN etc

    John has a body, a spirit and a soul

    John is one

    God is the same, He is One
    The word, The Holy Spirit and The Father,

    Jesus is God who became man to deliver us from the power of darkness and when
    He died the curtain in the Temple tore and NOW WE HAVE FULL DIRECT ACCESS
    TO OUR AMAZING WONDERFUL GRAND GOD, THE KING OF ALL.

  26. george says:

    Matt 28:19
    Acts 2:38
    I don’t know the bible but the Holy spirit taught me that these two verses reveal that Jesus is GOD because Jesus said keep my commandment et baptised in the name of the Father,son and Holy spirit.if u check closely it’s one name not the names but peter revealed that name in Acts 2:38 koz he kept the commandment of Jesus and baptised in the name of the Father,son and holy Spirit which is the name of Jesus Christ and that same verse reveal that the name of the Holy spirit is Jesus Christ as well,and it confirms John 14:8-9 where Phillip asks to see the Father and Christ replied that he has been with him so long still didn’t know him that confirms again Isaiah 9:6 which says that they shall call the son the everlasting Father since we only have one God which we know that he’s the Everlasting Father according to Ephesians 4:5 therefore we understand why Jesus affirmed that if u have seem him you have seen the Father koz if the Father and the son are 1 therefore they got 1 body, 1 spirit and 1 name. some say it bekoz of the work, Jesus went further to show that he meant more than that by saying he’s in the Father and the Father is in him that’s because they Got 1 body, GOD bless u all.

  27. Marg says:

    Hi George,

    Yes, these scriptures and others show that our one God YHWH is made of three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. John 14:8-9 is wonderfully clear.

    Thanks for sharing.

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  29. Anthony says:

    Nice article, I too believe Jesus is God and be wise he accepted worship makes him so. Notice when the 24 elders in heaven laid their crowns down to worship the Lamb(Jesus), this is a clear indication that even those who are in the presence of God gave worship to Jesus because they know he is equal to the Father(Phil 2:6).

  30. Anthony says:

    Jesus raised himself from the dead, Jesus knew the hearts of men, Jesus saw Nathaniel under the fig tree when he wasn’t even with Nathaniel. If one denies the divine nature of Jesus then how can one claim to know God himself. If I remember for my studying of the O.T. Jesus seems to be referred to as “The Angel of the LORD” in which Samson parents saw and spoke with. They claimed they would die because they have seen GOD. They understood that know one can look upon GOD and live, yet they did how? because it was Jesus.

  31. Marg says:

    Hi Anthony, many Christians believe that the second person of the Trinity, who we now know as Jesus Christ, also made appearances in Old Testament times where he was known as The Angel of the LORD (Yahweh). These appearances are called Theophanies or Christophanies.

    The Angel of the Lord visited other people other than Samson’s parents. The Angel of the LORD visited Hagar in Genesis chapter 16 (and she gives him a name meaning “You are the God who sees me”. The Angel of the LORD visited Abraham in Genesis chapter 22. He appeared to Moses in Exodus chapter 3, and Balaam and his donkey in Numbers chapter 22. The Angel of the LORD is mentioned in Judges chapters 2 (speaking to all Israel), 5 (in Deborah and Barak’s song), 6 (speaking to Gideon) and 13 (speaking to Samson’s parents). The Angel of the LORD led the Israelites out of Egypt (Judges 2:1 cf Numbers 20:16). The Angel of the LORD spoke to Elijah in 1 Kings 19 and 2 Kings 1.

    In 2 Kings 19 the Angel of the LORD kills 185,000 Assyrians (cf Isaiah 37:36), and tens of thousands of Israelites in 2 Samuel chapter 24 and in 1 Chronicles chapter 21.

    The Angel of the LORD is mentioned in Psalm 34:7 and Psalm 35:5-6, and several times in Zechariah: in chapters 1, 3, and 12.

  32. heath says:

    If you study the old testaments you will see that the father and the son are one, both called YAHWAH. not yahweh, the name JESUS is less than 400 years old you can check this out in the 1611 king james bible.
    the old testament was translated from hebrew into english and for some reason the new testament was translated from the original hebrew into greek then into english.

    If you do your studying you will find that general constantine made it illegal to use the name YAHWAH (YHWH) in 325AD at the first council of nicea.

    Abraham Isaac and Jacob never new a god by the name of JESUS, IESUS, IESOUS, or yeshua , yeoshua.
    If you check out the name jesus it goes back to tammuz,bacchus,semiramis nimrod and all those other greek gods.

    ACTS 4:12

    Regards
    Heath

  33. Marg says:

    Hi Heath,

    Thanks for your comment. YHWH could well be pronounced “Yahwah” with a feminine ending, although I am leaning more towards “Yahuweh”, as I see several names of Old Testament people, which include an element of God’s name, pointed as being pronounced “Yahu” in the Masoretic Text. I prefer to look at the Hebrew, rather than English translations, for information on authentic Hebrew pronunciations.

    I completely agree that the people of the Old Testament never knew a God (or a person) named Jesus. “Jesus” is a transliteration of the Greek Iesous, a common enough name that appears in other Greek literature. Even in the New Testament there are other Jesus’s (e.g. Matt. 27:16-17 NIV; Acts 13:6 NIV).

    The ancient Hebrews probably knew very few people with Greek names until Alexander’s conquests in 336-323BC. They may not have known people called Jesus but they did know people called Yehoshuah, Yeshua, or Joshua which are the equivalent of Jesus. In the Old Testament there are a few Joshuas: Joshua son of Nun in Exo. 24:13, etc; Joshua of Beth Shemesh in 1 Sam. 6:14; Joshua the governor of the city in 2 Kings 23:8; and Joshua the High Priest and son of Jozadak in Neh 12:26, etc. These men are called Iesous in the Septuagint – the Greek Old Testament.

    I believe that the stories of Jesus first circulated orally (by word of mouth) in Aramaic. There’s evidence of this Aramaic oral tradition in the written texts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. In fact I hope to write a post about the Aramaic word play on “sons” (beyt-nun) and “stones” (aleph-beyt-nun) in the Synoptic Gospels shortly.

    Most 1st century Jewish people in Israel, except for the scholars, spoke Aramaic, as did Jesus. It is thought that many of the Israelites spoke Aramaic after the Babylonian captivity. This is why they needed Hebrew scholars from the Levites to translate the Hebrew Scriptures for them when Ezra read the Scriptures aloud (Neh. 8:7-9).

    There is no evidence, however, that any of the New Testament books were first written down in Aramaic, let alone Hebrew. The first New Testament “books” were some of Paul’s letters written in around 50-55AD: the letters to the Galatians, Thessalonians, Corinthians, and Philippians. It is unlikely that many of the recipients of Paul’s letters who were living in Asia Minor, Greece, and Macedonia would have understood a letter written in Hebrew. Paul wrote in Greek. The Gospels were written afterwards. Matthew and Luke were probably written in the 70s; John in the 90s. There is no evidence that the Gospels and Acts were written in Hebrew. Moreover, Luke and Acts were written for a man with a Greek name: Theophilus.

    A person’s name represents that person (or deity.) It is the person of Jesus who saves whether you call him Yahuweh, Yahwah, Jehovah, Yeshua, Iesous, Jesu, Ježíš, Gesù, Isus, Isa, 耶稣, Иисус, 예수, イエス・キリスト, พระเยซู, or Jesus. Many New Testament verses state that Jesus is our Saviour.

    Acts 4:10, 12.

    I hope this all makes sense.
    Marg

  34. Heath says:

    Hi Marg

    Ive just had a look in my old tetament of the king james and it says in Jeremiah 23: 5-6,

    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

    6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The LORD Our Righteousness.

    notice the capital letters for LORD, this is where you apply YHWH (YAHWAH), can you see? the words LORD & GOD in capital letters are a mask over the true name YHWH.

    it says in the back of my king james bible under the letter Y, when ever the words LORD AND GOD appear in large or small capital letters, the original hebrew reads YHWH.

    so with that said, this means that Jeremiah 23:5-6 is talking about the messiah, being called YAHWAH , not jesus.

    Regards
    Heath

  35. Marg says:

    Hi Heath,

    In my article I make it plain that “LORD” (all capitals) stands for YHWH in the Old Testament – a poor choice of the English translators in my opinion. (Most English translations explain this translation of YHWH in the beginning of their Bibles.)

    Jeremiah 23:5-6 are beautiful verses and we have yet to see the complete fulfillment of these promises. However, I believe that Jesus is the Messiah. His Hebrew name Yeshua means “YHWH’s Salvation”. Do you think that Jesus is not the Messiah? Are you still waiting for the Messiah?

    I believe there is no name higher than the name of Jesus (Phil 2:9-11). Jesus is Lord; i.e. Jesus is YHWH. I wish all Christians knew God’s Name – YHWH. One day they will.

    I appreciate you sincerity and earnestness.

    Marg

  36. heath says:

    Hi Marg

    I am a white english male of 48 years baptized in the name of JESUS, ive been a JESUS man all my life, then one day I realized that father has a name too.

    so I looked into this for about a year and found out by scripture the it takes only one name, yes the father is yhwh and the son is yhwh they are both one, well you would think two but no one.

    the name JESUS is a latin greek english name not hebrew , the only thing english about it is the letter J,
    people seem to think that the old testament has nothing to do with the new but they both inter link many times.
    John 5:43
    43 I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. this is the Messiah but his name aint JESUS.

    if the fathers name is yahwah then the son is also yahwah.
    yahwah is the father yahwah is the son yahwah is the holy spirit all three are one Ha Ha .

    marg when you get to thinking they are two separate people just sing that little tune to yourself and all will be clear.

    Do not be like the pope with no hope
    praise YAHWAH

    Regards
    Heath
    Joel 2:32

  37. Nathan says:

    Hashem doesn’t mean “the name” it means “that name” it gives distinction to his name. As far as what Anthony states that they looked at God and lived. Jesus was never to my memory referred to as and Angel of the Lord in the new testament. The reason being is that if he was people would be saying that he is not God but less than God. The bible refers to Angels as heavenly messengers, not God. Jesus was referred to as Immanuel (God with US) not an angel. The reason why they stated they saw God and lived was because the Angels were inthe presense of God and that radiated off of them, and that is what they saw

    • Anthony says:

      Blessing Nathan the reason Jesus was The angel of the Lord in the old testament was because the Bible clearly states that no one can look upon the face of GOD( THE FATHER) and yet live. Samson’s parents knew in their hearts they had seen GOD,also Isaiah stated the same thing yet all lived, did the Bible lie? No but the did see God but it was Jesus not the Father. Jesus also appeared to Abram as well before he destroyed Sodom. Jesus was the one who lead the Israelites out of Egypt in the cloud. The phrase “The angel of the Lord” is unique in the O.T. it carries power more than the phase “a angel of the lord” hope this helps God bless!!

  38. Marg says:

    Hi Nathan,

    Anthony was referring to appearances of the second person of the Trinity in the Old Testament, not the New Testament. In the New Testament Jesus is indeed Immanuel.

    Many Christians do believe that Jesus (or the second person of the Trinity) visited the people of God on some occasions in Old Testament times as “The Angel of YHWH”.

    Regarding Jesus as a messenger is not disrespectful. Jesus said many times during his earthly mission, as recorded in the gospels, that he was sent on a mission. However, Jesus is God, he is far above the angels. Despite his lofty status, Jesus is the mediator between God and mankind.

  39. Anthony says:

    I’m wondering if Heath is a oneness believer thinking that Jesus And the Father are the same person. Don’t want to assume thought just asking

  40. Marg says:

    Hi Anthony,

    I don’t think the Scripture specifies “father” when saying that no one can see God and live. Moreover, I can only find one verse where God speaks and says that people will die if they see him (Exodus 33:20).

    There are plenty of verses in the Old Testament where people see God, and not only live, but are blessed.

    “Look, the Lord our God has shown us his glory and greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the fire. Today we have seen that God may speak to someone and the person may still live.” Deuteronomy 5:24 cf Genesis 16:13; Exodus 3:6; 24:9-11; Judges 6:22-23; 13:22-23.

    • Anthony says:

      Yes the word Father is not used, was just using it to just differentially and to prove that Jesus did appear to many in the O.T. if we go by Exodus 33:20 because God is spirit and we worship him in spirit, then the manifestation of God could only be Jesus. This is what I am going by if that makes sense

  41. Anthony says:

    Marg I love your wisdom and I pray that God will continue to reveal his glory to you and your loved ones. Stay blessed

  42. Marg says:

    Thanks Anthony. The true nature of God and the Trinity is still clouded in mystery. But one day we will see and be able to understand.

  43. Anthony says:

    Marg if I may ask, what is your take on Once Saved Always Saved? Its a big divide in the churches it seems, I believe on has to remain in Christ in order not to be snatched out of his hand. I don’t believe we have the freedom to sin because Jesus already paid for it on the cross.

  44. Marg says:

    There are verses which indicate both ways of thinking : “Once Saved Always Saved” and “Continuing Salvation”. I believe that we ourselves can walk away from God, but I also believe that no one can take us away from him unwillingly.

    I’ve written about this here: http://newlife.id.au/christian-living/instant-christianity/ and here: http://newlife.id.au/margs-articles/christian-livinginstant-chritianitycontinuing-salvation-verses/

    • Anthony says:

      Marg thanks for the links I also do not believe in OSAS, and my basis comes from the prodigal son. The Scriptures teach us that the one son was DEAD then made Alive Again, now in the Greek from what I understand the words ” alive again” in the Greek means to REVIVE. So if one is dead in the spirit and God would have taken his hand off this son my assumption is that he would have went to hell because of the state of his spirit. But he repented and was made alive again, thus showing we can walk away from our salvation. GOD is always there and he will never walk away but we can and many do. Another verse I think in Romans states that God is able to graft Israel back into the branch AGAIN as well. That word ” again” carries a lot of meaning, just like the word “if” that you presented in your links. Let me know what you think. Thanks

  45. Heath says:

    I’m wondering if Heath is a oneness believer thinking that Jesus And the Father are the same person. Don’t want to assume thought just asking.

    Answer is yes, how can it be any other way and make sence?

    Please show me where in the old testament does it say jesus??

  46. Anthony says:

    Heath thank you for your response. Clearly the name Jesus isn’t mentioned in the O.T.but we see Jesus althrough the OT many times as I posted before. To think that Jesus is the Father is not Biblical if one looks at the grammar when Jesus speaks about the Father it clearly shows he is not speaking of himself. Example Jesus didn’t pray to himself in the garden did he?? How is it that Paul’s letters show 2 distinct person not one when he thanks the Father and the Son. Jesus is equal to the Father in nature, the Bible says he was SENT, did he send himself? I will await your response.

  47. Heath says:

    Thank you Anthony

    deuteronomy 6:4 Hear O Israel the LORD (capitals) our god the LORD (capitals again) is one.

    Timothy 3:16 God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    (like water,ice steam, same thing but manifested differently)

    When I read the bible I see that it takes a name(singular) no were in the bible does it say names.

    as for the name jesus its only 400 years old,and yes your right it does not say jesus in the OT.

    2 chronicles 7;14
    if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves,and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then i will hear from heaven.

    our father in heaven hallowed be thy name (what name)

    bless you anthony, and keep studying your bible.

    • Anthony says:

      Heath thanks for your response. I would like to ask you some question if u don’t mind to see if your stance holds up against God’s word. 1. Why is it no where in script is God called or seen as a Unitarian? 2. If God is Unitarian the explain Gen.19:24 where Yahweh(Lord) rained brimstone and fire from Yahweh out of heaven? 3.if God is Unitarian why do we see the Father,Son, and Holy Spirit clearly distinguished from each other in the same verse? In the NT Jesus is referred to as “the Son” over 200 times . I see many plural description look at Isa 54:5

  48. Marg says:

    Heath, Judging by your comments it seems that you have not read the article or have not understood it.

    Please read the article and it may answer some of your questions.

  49. C. Nicholas says:

    This is so great. I really enjoyed the whole content of the script not for amusement but to some aspects of the related doctrine(Biblical not Church Believe) Im working on… God Bless you, Marg..
    In fact the understanding of this whole staff is a Mystery.. We do not just only understand is by Knowledge(Scripture) but by a Revelation of the Knowledge(Scripture).
    One other thing I was happy you did say on a comment made was that Jesus needn’t to proclaim himself to be a Deity.
    There are several passages in the Old T. which points to a person to come and in itself shows a Godly nature. Some of these are direct titles of a Deity, others are indirect; yet in all they tend to point to a person to come.
    Now in the New T., there are passages which answers/tend to link up/point to those of the Old T.. This is what I think Marg has point out in this article(Ony if I had her right). That person tends to be Jesus. In fact all shows that those prophetic and most Godly passages which Marg has pointed tends to be Jesus. In my culture(Ghana), one need not to say he is a king before the other knows.. for the appearance of a King talks of itself. When Jesus was asked whether He was the Son of God["Son" and "God" denoting humanity of a Deity], He said You have said it. The mystery is that He need not to have declared that before them for they themselves had bared witness of that fact… Why and How? Because His personality and life did testify… Jesus Is a Deity, Jesus Is God….

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